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RotteN · Apr 13, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by asp1988

and they keep the melee away from casters

no they don't, warriors have the highest AL ingame, which makes them a low-priority target. Stop thinking the warriors in your party are there to save you from all the big bad mobs. The only one that will keep the melee away from the casters are the casters : it's called kiting, and it doesn't hurt. Warriors can keep some foes busy, but not every single one.

A lot of people complain about "those brainless rushing wammo's" but tbh, there are more other professions that rush into fights than warriors. In the rare occasion i still join a pug i've seen ele's, monks, necro's, ... all rush one aggro buble infront of the warriors into a lvl20+ mob.

Sure, warriors are looked down upon, but more than half of the people that look down upon them have no fsckin' clue themselves, so i couldn't care less

clawofcrimson · Apr 13, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by kumarshah

But the worst thing in PvE is that since you are a Warrior, people automatically assume you are playing as a tank. I told my team once, I am not a tank, I don't have any tanking skills (I run a Dragon slash build). The team leader laughs and says - You are a warrior, you are a tank. Go position yourself in front of the boss. WTF.

My thoughts exactly... as far as I am concerned tanking is dead in GW (with exceptions in high end pve)

Issac · Apr 13, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

What you guys say is correct. There are many ppl that don't know what a warrior does and just think their ment to tank. It seems that you have to have a warrior to know what they can do lol.

Taurus · Apr 13, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Well.. EVERY guild that won the world championship used at least 1 warrior in heir build, that must mean something.

Coloneh · Apr 13, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

yeah, it means warriors are good at pressure when played correctly. when played incorrectly they are good at causing wipes.

Age · Apr 13, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

Assuming you're talking about pve.....when I see a warrior, I assume he's a bad one until proven otherwise. The reason is cause just about every single warrior I've teamed with is just plain horrible. Out of all the classes there are, warriors have the worst rep. I think the reason is cause a majority of people who made a pve warrior will just use em for farming/running purposes and when joining a party, they'll still be using their farming builds just to stand there and tank. I find it funny and sad that lots of warriors tend to have very high-priced items/armor yet they're usually the most useless members in a party. While every profession has their share of bad players, I think warriors have the most simply cause they'll end up using them for profit. I don't think the image of pve warriors will ever change - most people think they're only there for absorbing damage, rather than actually doing it.

In short, a few people do look down upon warriors and see them as aggro-hungry players

I would have to agree with this person as I have seen it myself.I am weilding xxx/xxx and what ever thinking so highly of themselves.I would also go with the one who is in primeevil armour and one who is in Glads 1.5K Droks .I really don't care about the secondary being w/x although yes I myself play W/Mo but not the typical what you would think.I use mending touch or mend ailment with rebirth but I do use other seconds.

It is mostly about ego and who and how old the person playing it is.I did have a 1st officer in my guild who played it well who eventually got his own guild together to into GvG.He was a W/Mo but a very good one.

Soulsmasher · Apr 14, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I have played a warrior for a little bit (roughly 16~ months) and have gained some proficiency with them, but nowdays people expect me to deal damage, which is not what the warrior is mainly for in play, they are for pressure, and medium damage, now im just an afterthought with dervishes around.....

Nexus Icon · Apr 14, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Then try to play for damage Soulsmasher. Contrary to what you believe, that's exactly what a GW warrior is for. I've been playing for 2 and a half years now, and I still don't know the class inside out.
True knowledge comes from knowing that you know nothing.

RotteN · Apr 14, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

a warrior can deal just as much damage than a dervish, if not more. If you're not doing that, you're doing something wrong.

The only good thing about a dervish is the spike potential (three digit dmg crits) and the multi target hitting, but on the other hand a warrior is more versitile, has higher AL and better selfheal.

Both have their pro's and con's, but saying the dervish does way more damage than a warrior is bullshit.

My-way Ftw · Apr 14, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Warrior as a whole, I have never really been looked down on. Occassionally people have said 'Omg why did you lure that mob', and thats just an accident. I use my warrior for either tanking (high end pve) or plain pressure/damagedealing (IAS and few attacks).

And umm Nexus, GW hasnt been out for 2 1/2 years.....

Soulsmasher · Apr 14, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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but on the other hand a warrior is more versitile, has higher AL and better selfheal.

While most of the time dervishes dont have as much armor, they have far superior spike heals, Vital Boon, Signet of Pious Light, and Faithful Intervention (cast before the battle starts) make for a lovely healing spike (save the fact that Faithful Intervention should only end naturally not by Signet of Pious Light)

And I would have to agree that warriors are much more versatile than dervishes, I am yet to see a dervish with 3 (or maybe even more) knock-downs

but where they lack knockdowns they make up for it in damage, a dervish with the afore mentioned enchantments and Zealous Renewal/Heart of Holy Flame could use Mystic Sweep for +27 damage, an elite for example i use Wounding Strike because I dont have any other elite, which can either inflict a deep wound or bleeding, and Lyssa's Assault for a nasty amount of damage. (12+1 Scythe Mastery 9 Mysticism 9 Earth Prayers)

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Then try to play for damage Soulsmasher.

I try to incorporate damage into my builds, but "good" warriors nowadays have an IAS, a self heal, and then attack skills, a build that i have found, that fits the specifications of a "good" warrior is a Crippling Slash build, using the skills:
Crippling Slash
Gash
Galrath Slash
Protectors Strike (used when the enemy is moving :$ i see so many warriors use this on a prone enemy....)
Frenzy
Sprint
Healing Signet
And Resurrection Signet

Now dont get me wrong this build can deal its fair share of damage and pressure at the same time, but it takes longer to build up a spike (if done in rapid succession, 8 adrenaline) usually in PVP warriors are not attacked much but you have to factor in warrior hate skills (which apply to assassins and dervishes too) that slow the process of getting adrenaline and the spike all together as where a dervish could wait for the afore mentioned hate skill to end and then proceed using damage dealing skills.

Mwah ha ha · Apr 14, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Hero warriors are useful players are not.

Master Sword Keeper · Apr 14, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

My thoughts exactly... as far as I am concerned tanking is dead in GW (with exceptions in high end pve)

Because annoying PVP players got the stances NERFED. How thick are these guys?

Tanking isnt really dead. It's dead if you are planning to use Primary skills to tank. Since stances went to the doghouse PVP and PVE players keep fighting with each other.

Like the usual scenario..."If you play with fire you're gonna get burned."

To my ARCH-Enemies PVP players. THX for ruining Guild Wars you b*stards.

Simath · Apr 14, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

From a monks standpoint warriors are a headache. There are two many of them out there that think they are Rambo and that a stance or two and heal sig can make them invincible. Most warriors don't know how to handle an aggro either which leads to many problems. Overextending is probably the most common issue I've encountered with warriors. And of course when the warrior dies it is always the monks fault

I've also encountered many many warriors who when corrected take it as insults and then end up arguing with the people who are trying to help them.

So unless I know the warrior and his abilities I always start out looking down on them so I am prepared for the worst.

clawofcrimson · Apr 14, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

Because annoying PVP players got the stances NERFED. How thick are these guys?

Tanking isnt really dead. It's dead if you are planning to use Primary skills to tank. Since stances went to the doghouse PVP and PVE players keep fighting with each other.

Like the usual scenario..."If you play with fire you're gonna get burned."

To my ARCH-Enemies PVP players. THX for ruining Guild Wars you b*stards.

if by 'tanking' you mean damage absorbing while the rest of the team acually does the damage you should read this...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10142611

...tanking is just too complecated for pve pug and such to accomplish without studying how it works....

glaz · Apr 14, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

the warrior's characteristics (in-your-face-melee, high damage, high def) makes this a very beginner-friendly class. and its the beginner's responsibility to learn the ropes and learn how to properly (or at least decently) play this game and their profession.

sadly, some beginners never learn from experience and never "grow up" so to speak. while some ignore the help they receive and purposefully stay in their level. these people give warriors a bad name.

as far as pve and pvp and the whole nerf thing, people should see it in a different light. take the nerf as a challenge to yourself to try and find better ways to imrove as a warrior and as a player.

its easier to blame others than trying to improve yourself, but all the rewards come from the latter.

Cathode_Reborn · Apr 14, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

Because annoying PVP players got the stances NERFED. How thick are these guys?

Tanking isnt really dead. It's dead if you are planning to use Primary skills to tank. Since stances went to the doghouse PVP and PVE players keep fighting with each other.

Like the usual scenario..."If you play with fire you're gonna get burned."

To my ARCH-Enemies PVP players. THX for ruining Guild Wars you b*stards.

You obviously don't got a clue =/ Do you really think people used defensive stances in pvp? That's a huge joke. With the new ai, tanking is dead.....face it. The only tanking you'll ever do is when solo farming.

Please explain what pvp players did to get the stances "nerfed". If you can't, then don't blame others for your own problem.

bungusmaximus · Apr 14, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

Because annoying PVP players got the stances NERFED. How thick are these guys?

Tanking isnt really dead. It's dead if you are planning to use Primary skills to tank. Since stances went to the doghouse PVP and PVE players keep fighting with each other.

Like the usual scenario..."If you play with fire you're gonna get burned."

To my ARCH-Enemies PVP players. THX for ruining Guild Wars you b*stards.

ROFL, i only bring one defensive stance sometimes and thats shield stance in AB, as for the rest I use enraging charge and frenzy. Id rather kill stuff then stand around like a gimp with 300 armor :P

Nexus Icon · Apr 14, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by My-way Ftw

And umm Nexus, GW hasnt been out for 2 1/2 years.....

I've been playng since the World Preview Event back in October 2004...

balthazars hero · Apr 14, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

I assume all warriors i party with are complete idiots until they prove that they arent. every 11 year old moron who gets guild wars rushes to make his first mending wammo and aggro everything on the map. not there arnet good warriors, but there are just SO many bad ones.

cough... I second that